>> michael: money is not going to come out of washington completely, but it can be done incrementally? listening to donnie it sounds like this is continue to go pollute. i was floored by this story. >> i was really struck by it, too. again, when donnie said you can't--you don't bribe somebody, and you don't bribe somebody overnight, and there are limits to what the pacs can give each member, but this guy raised $150,000 in six months. and $5,000 from a pac might not do it, but $150,000 all from the same industry, that does do it. i get that it's not direct bribery, i'm going to take to you breakfast and you're going to do this, but you give somebody $150,000 in six months, they're going to do whatever they wanted you to do. >> michael: all they would have to do is take me to breakfast and i'd do when they wanted. donnie, the three of us are going to hang out and talk politics, my favorite thing to do.